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    My 78 Bel Air

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    My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:39 pm

    Her is a pic when I first got my 1978 Chevrolet Bel Air. Now is wearing dog dish hub caps and 20% tinted windows all around.

    I has only three factory options, AM Pushbutton radio, full wheel covers and a rear blower defroster! Canadian built in Oshawa plant and sold new at Holland motos in Burlington Ontario. Sports a 250 inline six, TH-350 trans and a Buick 8.2 inch 2.73 rear end.
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  Sweet Seventy9 on Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:35 pm

    Welcome to the forum!  I think you're the first Bel Air owner to join up here.  Cool!

    Very nice car!  Your pic didn't post, but I checked out your avatar. It appears to have been well cared for by it's previous owner(s).  Do you have any mods in the works or are you like me and like to keep them fairly close to stock?  

    You may not know it but you're lucky having a Canadian built car.  The interior plastics are superior to the US made parts and don't get all chalky and crumbly as easily.  Got any spare door armrests you want to sell, lol?


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  Myloth on Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:34 pm

    Nice I didn't know they made Bel-Air past the early 70s must be a Canadian only. Either way looks good in the

    tiny pic have a bigger one?
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:48 am

    Hi to all members!
    Im glad that I found this forum pertaining to these great automobiles. I look forward to sharing all he info I have gained over the last four years since I have owned this unique B body.

    Im currently trying to figure out how to upload pics??

    I had no idea these base model car existed either until I spotted one in high school. I have always like base model RWD domestic cars from the 60's, 70's and 80's especially ones with a manual trans. I have counted 4 other Bel Airs that are in my town to date and one is a 2 door coupe with the LM1 350 V8 Very Happy

    I have actually had other people tell me at car shows, swap meets that my car must be a clone and no 77 and up downsized chevrolets ever used the "Bel Air" nameplate!!

    I have always felt that Oshawa (Canadian built) GM products from this time period were better built than the US counterparts but I have spent considerable time fixing various quality mass production issues that have cropped up as the vehicle ages.

    My Interior is in very good shape and I have only had to replace the headliner and reseal the back window. I also scuffed the rear package tray and applied felt like fabric and added a rear speaker. I had to remove the entire heater box unit to reseal the heater box to firewall gasket as it was leaking rain water in the pass front floor area. What a big job that was but during the overhaul I sourced a complete 1985 Caprice heater box assembly with newer blower motor, heater core and a mint control lever from the local wrecking yard for a nice free99 special Laughing  It appears GM went back to the drawing board during the 1980 makeover and improved upon the design and function of the base non A/C heater box as you can now shut the blower motor off completly, get blower motor air circulation through the center two vents when the mode lever is set to "vent". Has anyone ever noticed this on the newer B cars? Sorry for the long reply post lol.
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    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:06 am

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    Here is a shot of the 250 straight 6 engine. This pic was taken right when I picked the car up at the original owners home.
    So much room to work on it and wow it runs so much better after I got my hands on it. I still cant believe I made it home from Burlington to London with its then current state of tune.


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:10 am

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    Another pic from a quarter angle. Love the crisp lines of the 1977-79 B cars.
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:19 am

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    Interior shot. Tigger floor mats and sagging headliner and sail panels have been removed and repaired. Stupid F&@^ heads at Apple auto glass redid the headliner after my attempt failed when the glue I used failed when the temps dropped well below freezing, boy was I pissed but nothing compaired to how mad I was when I went to pick my car up after work. Scratched window tint, shorted out the dome light, gaps everywhere and creaks and moans over rough roads Evil or Very Mad  Still trying to make it fit better!!
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:27 am

    Im going to take some more pics today as Im in the middle of painting the factory Kelsey Hays 15 inch steel wheels body colour.
    last weekend I found a complete set of factory correct dog dish caps that are mint condition for a cool $50.

    Does anyone know for sure that if a B body car came equipped with base dog dish hubcaps, did the factory paint the steel wheels
    body colour?? If you look at cars from movies and literature from back in the day it would appear that they are but dont know for sure.
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:05 am

    Sweet Seventy9 wrote:Welcome to the forum!  I think you're the first Bel Air owner to join up here.  Cool!

    Very nice car!  Your pic didn't post, but I checked out your avatar.  It appears to have been well cared for by it's previous owner(s).  Do you have any mods in the works or are you like me and like to keep them fairly close to stock?  

    You may not know it but you're lucky having a Canadian built car.  The interior plastics are superior to the US made parts and don't get all chalky and crumbly as easily.  Got any spare door armrests you want to sell, lol?

    Thanks for the compliments!

    The car sat for 16 years from 1992 to 2008 in a garage unused and not really cared for. It has many small dents and the fuel system needed a complete overhaul, rebuilt carb, new fuel tank and pump, all new rubber hoses but all of the factory fuel and brake lines are intact. One major selling point for me was the fact that this car is very rust free and solid due to it being oil sprayed every year since new. No joke I can scrape away built up undercoating off the frame and still see black paint!!

    I have done slight mods to the car as I have owned it but I do like to keep things close to stock as possible. None stock mods are as follows; New 80 amp modern alternator, adjustable vacuum advance canister,  rollercell style windsheild washer pump, Audiovox 2 knob AM/FM tape deck, added working clock from 1981 impala, heavy duty signal flasher, newer style heater box and control panel from 85 caprice, LED dome light, 20% tinted windows all around, rear modern 6x9 speaker added, historic licence plates, felt covered package tray, factory correct dog dish hubcaps and Michelin Symmetry thin white wall tires, energy suspension front greasable poly sway bar mount bushings and factory rear sway bar from a F41 equipped 1981 impala.

    I currently dont have any door armrests in my collection of parts(wich btw isnt very much lol) but the yards around my place have some Im pretty sure.


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  Sweet Seventy9 on Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:31 am

    IIRC, the Belair is the same as the Impala in the US, and the Catalina is the same as the Caprice.  I don't recall the cut-off year but I think it was in the early 80s.

    Dog dish hub caps were standard on the 77-79 9C1s. (police cars)

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    Here's some info you may find useful.  Feel free to DL any or all of it.
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    Hey everybody look closely!!  This is what a rear center bumper filler looks like!  LOL!  



    I can't believe that yours is in good condition still!  I didn't think there were any decent ones left, anywhere!


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:35 am

    As I learn more and more about these cars I now realize how almost none of these cars retain the original bumper filler piece. This photo was taken in Feb in 2010 and the last remaining filler piece just fell off!! Crying or Very sad

    I would like to fix this as the gap is unsightly but I have heard the repro part is junk, is this true?

    Im slightly confused about the US/Canadain model line up for the 1977-79 years. Im pretty sure this is how it breaks down;
    In Canada the Chevrolet line up was as follows, Bel Air, Impala and Caprice.
    Pontiacs in Canada started with the Laurentian, Catalina and Parisienne.
    Correct me if Im wrong lol.

    So if I ordered a new, lets say 77 impala with no extra options would this car come from the factory wearing dogdish hubcaps and body coloured matched steel wheels?

    Here is a pic showing its once intact greatness lol. If I knew how rare of a intact part this was I would have tried to save it!
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  Sweet Seventy9 on Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:58 pm

    !! I learned something new today. I didn't know the Pontiac brand was even sold in Canada. I thought they were all sold under the Chevrolet name.

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    My rear filler was in great shape when I bought my 79, but like yours it fell apart over the next couple years. I purchased one of the 1st design fillers from RP and it was nothing more than an expensive POS piece of fiberglass that doesn't even come close to proper fitment. Pics are here: https://www.gmbbodyforum.com/t8-bumper-filler

    It looks like they now have a 2nd design.

    I've searched a lot of forums looking for more info but it seems that either nobody has purchased one, probably due to RPs bad reputation, or the 2nd design is as bad as the 1st and people are embarrassed to admit they bought it. IDK. All I do know is that nobody is talking about it.

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    As far as I know, if it was a Base Impala model ordered without any appearance upgrades such as a "Value Appearance Group" or similar, it came with black 15" steel wheels and dog dish hub caps. No Caprices came with color matching wheels or DD hub caps, they all (77-79) came equipped with black wheels and decorative wheel covers. Unless special ordered, colored steel wheels were part of the 9C1 (police) package only.


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:08 pm

    Oh heck no. Pontiacs were very big sellers in the 60's and 70's in Canada and almost all were built in the Oshawa GM plant. Unique thing to Canadian built Pontiacs is that they were equipped with Chevrolet drivetrains and chassis with Pontiac sheet metal resting on top so to speak. It gets blurry tho when your trying to hunt down specifics.

    That sucks that you purchased that filler piece off the net, waited for it to ship, paid shipping and it turned out to be a POS!
    Like you said tho, no info on the net about the second design. I went to Lowes yesterday to try and find that baseboard trim you used to fab one up but I had no luck finding something that would work!!

    Here is a current pic of my Bel Air. Just finished painting the Factory Kelsey Hayes 15x6 steelies Code 69 Dark Camel Metalic.

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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  solo79 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:25 pm

    First Belair I've seen in this body style. I had no idea that existed! That is too cool! Learn something every day!


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:38 pm

    Hey thanks. I always new these were probably the rarest of the 1977-79 B cars and so far I have never seen another one like it.
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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  Sweet Seventy9 on Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:26 pm

    [quote="78i6belair"<snip>I went to Lowes yesterday to try and find that baseboard trim you used to fab one up but I had no luck finding something that would work!![/quote]

    Check with Solo79. He's actually the person that used the molding.

    The wheels look great, btw!


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    Re: My 78 Bel Air

    Post  78i6belair on Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:01 pm

    Ok thanks and will do. I think I found the piece but not quite sure.

    Ya I feel they turned out great and I am pumped that I found a set of O.E style dogdish hub caps to finish the look, reminds me of a taxi lol.

    I will post some pics but I picked up a set of 99 Chevy S10 5 spoke alloy 15x7 alloy rims to use as winter wheels. They are pretty corroded so I used this stuff called "plasti dip" and coated them silver. Had a hell of a time finding correct wheel nuts with the outside threads to use the stock oem centre caps. I have the Doorman PN if anyone needs it.

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